I'm glad you understand. You see, what He actually did was this. He said over and over to me, "Lucifer, everything in the universe is used... made use of... you understand?" And He came down, and suffered, died, and rose from the Dead to consecrate human suffering, to enshrine it as a means to an ends; the end was illumination, superiority of the soul. Character and purity.
But that myth of the suffering and Dying God - whether we speak of Tammuz of Sumer or Dionysus of Greece, or any other deity the world over, whose death and dismemberment preceded Creation - this was a Human idea! An idea conceived by Humans who could not imagine a Creation from nothing, one which did not involve a sacrifice, a price. The Dying God who gives birth to Man was a young idea in the minds of those too primitive to conceive of anything absolute and perfect. So He grafted himself - God Incarnate - upon human myths that try to explain things as if they had meaning, when perhaps they don't.
Where was His sacrifice in making the world? He is not Osiris, chopped into pieces! What did He, Almighty God, give up to make the material universe? I do not remember seeing anything taken from Him. That it came out of Him, this is true, but I do not remember Him being lessened, or decimated, or maimed, or decreased by the act of Physical Creation. He was, after the Creation of the planets and the stars, the same God! If anything He was increased, or seemed to be in the eyes of His angels, as they sang of new and varying aspects of His Creation. His very nature as Creator grew and expanded in our perceptions, as evolution took His path.
But when He came as God Incarnate, He imitated myths that men had made to try to sanctify all suffering, to try to say that history is not horror, but has meaning. He plunged down into man-made religion and brought His Divine Grace to those images, and He sanctified suffering by His death, whereas it had not been Sanctified in His Creation, you understand?
It was a bloodless Creation and without sacrifice. But He does believe suffering is sacrosanct or can be. Nothing is wasted. All things are used. But my position is that He took the awful flaw in His cosmos - human pain, misery, the capacity to suffer unspeakable justice - and He found a place for it, using the worst superstitious beliefs of Men.
And now when people die, where they lived in places of peace and prosperity, where they were exposed to such privilege, they find the tunnel and the Light and Loved Ones. They rise without hate or resentment, directly into Heaven. And so do some who have no belief in Him whatsoever or His teachings. Because they too are Illuminated. And this gratifies Him and expands His Heaven, and Heaven is ever enhanced and enriched by these new souls from all quarters of the world.
But Hell - Hell so far exceeds the size of Heaven as to be laughable. Where on this planet has He ruled where there has not been self-sacrifice, injustice, persecution, torment, war! Every day my confused and embittered pupils are increased in number. There are times of such privation and horror that few souls ascend to Him in peace at all.
And He does not care. He says that suffering of sentient beings is like decay; it fertilizes the growth of their souls! He looks from His lofty height upon a massacre, and He sees magnificence. He sees men and women never loving so much as when they lose their loved ones, never loving so much as when they sacrifice for others for some abstract notion of Him, never loving so much as when the conquering army comes down to lay waste the hearth, divide the flock, and catch up the bodies of infants on their spears.
His justification? It's in Nature. It's what He created. And if battered and embittered souls must fall into my hands first and suffer my tutelage in Hell, so much the greater will they become!
But. As I said, I am winning. But I have to win on His terms. Hell is a place of suffering. But let's go over it carefully, so you know what to expect. Look at it; what He did:
When He threw open the gates of Sheol, when He went down into the gloom of Sheol, like the god Tammuz into the Sumerian hell, the souls flocked to Him and saw His redemption and saw the wounds in His Hands and Feet, and that He should die for them gave a focus to their confusion, and of course they flooded with Him to the Gates of Heaven - for everything they had suffered seemed suddenly to have a meaning.
But did it have a meaning? Can you give a sacred meaning to the cycle of Nature simply by immersing your Divine Self in it? Is that enough?
What about the souls who shrink in bitterness, who never flower as the heels of warriors walk over them, what about the souls warped and twisted by unspeakable injuries, who go into eternity cursing, what about a whole modern world which is personally angry with God, angry enough to curse Jesus Christ and God Himself as Luther did, as you have done, as so many of these days do.
People in your modern world have never stopped believing in Him, even with the rise of so many pagan deities of the Shadow World. It's that they hate Him; they resent Him; they are furious with Him. They feel... they feel... [ he searches for the word ]
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But that myth of the suffering and Dying God - whether we speak of Tammuz of Sumer or Dionysus of Greece, or any other deity the world over, whose death and dismemberment preceded Creation - this was a Human idea! An idea conceived by Humans who could not imagine a Creation from nothing, one which did not involve a sacrifice, a price. The Dying God who gives birth to Man was a young idea in the minds of those too primitive to conceive of anything absolute and perfect. So He grafted himself - God Incarnate - upon human myths that try to explain things as if they had meaning, when perhaps they don't.
Where was His sacrifice in making the world? He is not Osiris, chopped into pieces! What did He, Almighty God, give up to make the material universe? I do not remember seeing anything taken from Him. That it came out of Him, this is true, but I do not remember Him being lessened, or decimated, or maimed, or decreased by the act of Physical Creation. He was, after the Creation of the planets and the stars, the same God! If anything He was increased, or seemed to be in the eyes of His angels, as they sang of new and varying aspects of His Creation. His very nature as Creator grew and expanded in our perceptions, as evolution took His path.
But when He came as God Incarnate, He imitated myths that men had made to try to sanctify all suffering, to try to say that history is not horror, but has meaning. He plunged down into man-made religion and brought His Divine Grace to those images, and He sanctified suffering by His death, whereas it had not been Sanctified in His Creation, you understand?
It was a bloodless Creation and without sacrifice. But He does believe suffering is sacrosanct or can be. Nothing is wasted. All things are used. But my position is that He took the awful flaw in His cosmos - human pain, misery, the capacity to suffer unspeakable justice - and He found a place for it, using the worst superstitious beliefs of Men.
And now when people die, where they lived in places of peace and prosperity, where they were exposed to such privilege, they find the tunnel and the Light and Loved Ones. They rise without hate or resentment, directly into Heaven. And so do some who have no belief in Him whatsoever or His teachings. Because they too are Illuminated. And this gratifies Him and expands His Heaven, and Heaven is ever enhanced and enriched by these new souls from all quarters of the world.
But Hell - Hell so far exceeds the size of Heaven as to be laughable. Where on this planet has He ruled where there has not been self-sacrifice, injustice, persecution, torment, war! Every day my confused and embittered pupils are increased in number. There are times of such privation and horror that few souls ascend to Him in peace at all.
And He does not care. He says that suffering of sentient beings is like decay; it fertilizes the growth of their souls! He looks from His lofty height upon a massacre, and He sees magnificence. He sees men and women never loving so much as when they lose their loved ones, never loving so much as when they sacrifice for others for some abstract notion of Him, never loving so much as when the conquering army comes down to lay waste the hearth, divide the flock, and catch up the bodies of infants on their spears.
His justification? It's in Nature. It's what He created. And if battered and embittered souls must fall into my hands first and suffer my tutelage in Hell, so much the greater will they become!
But. As I said, I am winning. But I have to win on His terms. Hell is a place of suffering. But let's go over it carefully, so you know what to expect. Look at it; what He did:
When He threw open the gates of Sheol, when He went down into the gloom of Sheol, like the god Tammuz into the Sumerian hell, the souls flocked to Him and saw His redemption and saw the wounds in His Hands and Feet, and that He should die for them gave a focus to their confusion, and of course they flooded with Him to the Gates of Heaven - for everything they had suffered seemed suddenly to have a meaning.
But did it have a meaning? Can you give a sacred meaning to the cycle of Nature simply by immersing your Divine Self in it? Is that enough?
What about the souls who shrink in bitterness, who never flower as the heels of warriors walk over them, what about the souls warped and twisted by unspeakable injuries, who go into eternity cursing, what about a whole modern world which is personally angry with God, angry enough to curse Jesus Christ and God Himself as Luther did, as you have done, as so many of these days do.
People in your modern world have never stopped believing in Him, even with the rise of so many pagan deities of the Shadow World. It's that they hate Him; they resent Him; they are furious with Him. They feel... they feel... [ he searches for the word ]